tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-532215181662264487.comments2023-10-31T08:43:03.610-07:00OrlandParkerRay Hananiahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03268228482144027190noreply@blogger.comBlogger136125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-532215181662264487.post-22873441697439456762014-11-25T05:44:12.850-08:002014-11-25T05:44:12.850-08:00It's a complicated issue.
The library policy...It's a complicated issue. <br /><br />The library policy, which currently censors adult-related information found in magazines and dvds, has to be changed with respect to adult-related information found on websites. This is because one of the librarians recently admitted over the radio that a person was caught looking at child pornography in the library. So some aspect of censorship is needed for the computers. <br /><br />But filtering all the upstairs computers can lead to blocking news outlets that allow pornographic advertisements on their websites, or news outlets which allow uncensored videos, such as the ISIS beheadings. Blocking access to such sites can impair someone's ability to conduct research or gain unfiltered information about current events. <br /><br />I don't have the answers. I simply wish the board well in finding a good solution for its upcoming policy change that is suitable to everyone in the community.<br /><br />By the way, thanks for allowing anonymous users to comment on your blog, but I don't think it's right of you to state that arguments won't be taken seriously if people don't sign their name. There are many reasons to remain anonymous on the internet.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-532215181662264487.post-37829449853148267872014-02-23T10:56:41.656-08:002014-02-23T10:56:41.656-08:00She also lied about being a true Republican. Bella...She also lied about being a true Republican. Bellar wrote a OPED to the Tribune praising O'Bama on his handling of embryonic stem cell research. That itself is a big time Republican No NO. She lies so much who knows if she really a Doctor or Lawyer?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-532215181662264487.post-78257187728051797602014-02-20T09:21:45.058-08:002014-02-20T09:21:45.058-08:00I have heard bellar speak when she ran for 18th di...I have heard bellar speak when she ran for 18th district Senate, she is very conniving, She was busted straight out by Phil Kadner on being a catholic Nun and getting a medical degree in Mexico when she told everyone she got her degree from NY university.<br /><br />basically a liar!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-532215181662264487.post-77975637033010269452014-01-31T11:40:40.928-08:002014-01-31T11:40:40.928-08:00i agree 100%
i agree 100%<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01165583902758397516noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-532215181662264487.post-19486661531036676132013-11-21T03:04:56.862-08:002013-11-21T03:04:56.862-08:00Well Safe Libraries, then SIGN YOUR NAME if you wa...Well Safe Libraries, then SIGN YOUR NAME if you want to be taken seriously because not everyone i going to waste their time looking you up. You have a right to express your opinion and I agree with some of it, but your tone comes across in a bullying manner. Address the issues and not the people. Anyone reading your comments can see you are beating up on someone rather than discussing the issues. Don't demean your argument. Personally, I am against censorship and I should be able to express that opinion without someone accusing me of anything. Thanks Dan. Transparency is important.Ray Hananiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03268228482144027190noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-532215181662264487.post-55499528711429098822013-11-20T19:29:01.475-08:002013-11-20T19:29:01.475-08:00Oh yes, I'm not hiding behind "SafeLibrar...Oh yes, I'm not hiding behind "SafeLibraries." Everyone doing the simplest Google search or look at my site will see Dan Kleinman.SafeLibraries®https://www.blogger.com/profile/06756725065032196698noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-532215181662264487.post-11426041879230921682013-11-20T19:27:04.998-08:002013-11-20T19:27:04.998-08:00Ray, I did no such thing. I pointed out what she ...Ray, I did no such thing. I pointed out what she did and who she is and commented it's a disgrace for someone in her position to mislead people and to cut off free speech. And it is. That's not a personal attack. And I have focused on the issue saying again and again that Barbara Jones of the ALA says filters work and work well, and linked to where you can hear her say that. You made light of that, but she is the top leader at the ALA's Office for Intellectual Freedom. If she says filters work well, I'm inclined to believe filters work well.<br /><br />If I "come across as if you are bullying someone," that's most likely due to the shock that anyone is standing up to the false information at all. Who would believe librarians would mislead anyone? Yet a limited set of them are. My response is based on facts and the law. You didn't like the obeisance comment? Did you hear what ALA said at Monday night's OPPL meeting about shutting your ears to comments on Facebook? Is it not substantially similar to what Joyce Latham wrote here about shutting your ears to outside voices? Have you ever heard librarians ever say don't listen to other people?SafeLibraries®https://www.blogger.com/profile/06756725065032196698noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-532215181662264487.post-79294994016843958702013-11-20T19:15:17.921-08:002013-11-20T19:15:17.921-08:00"Safe libraries" you come across as if y..."Safe libraries" you come across as if you are bullying someone. You should focus on the argument not attack the person. I think it is also appropriate if you identify yourself rather than hide behind anonymity. Everyone has a right to express their views. Bullying is an instrument of censorship. You can make your points on this very important community issue by focussing on the issue. Just my opinion.Ray Hananiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03268228482144027190noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-532215181662264487.post-4437721356714557292013-11-20T19:10:10.077-08:002013-11-20T19:10:10.077-08:00"Anything other than obscenity is legally pro..."Anything other than obscenity is legally protected speech all adults have a right to access." But not in public libraries, per US v. ALA. I forget to include this in my previous comment. Thanks, Ray, for approving these comments.SafeLibraries®https://www.blogger.com/profile/06756725065032196698noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-532215181662264487.post-47147897444652844832013-11-20T18:53:55.925-08:002013-11-20T18:53:55.925-08:00Joyce, thank you for commenting here. Respectfull...Joyce, thank you for commenting here. Respectfully speaking, you make filters sound really expensive and really hard to use. Barbara Jones of the ALA says filters work well and no longer block health-related information and that they simply need to be used correctly. <br /><br />Then you go on to say things that are just 100% the opposite of what's in US v. ALA, 539 US 194 (2003). For example, you say pornography is not the issue, yet it is the issue throughout US v. ALA. You say if the library uses filters to block porn it would be open to a First Amendment lawsuit, but US v. ALA shows it would not, and indeed there has never yet been a case for blocking porn in a public library. <br /><br />Hard for OPPL to justify filters? You overlook the porn viewing, the unreported sex crimes, the people who said they would no longer attend the library until it is filtered to block porn, and the sexually harassed librarians like Linda Zec. Watch Deborah Caldwell-Stone speak at the meeting. What she says about sexually harassed librarians really put them down. I was shocked. This is the American Library Association, after all, not the American Porn Association. I would have expected a porn executive to similarly downplay sexual harassment cases, which, by the way, only came up for discussion because of what I've been disclosing about how ALA misleads communities.<br /><br />"I wouldn't include anyone exterior to the community of Orland Park, since they literally have no standing vis a vis the Orland Park question." This is most remarkable. Here you are, a supposed free speech advocate, a major player in a library school, supporting continued porn viewing in OPPL, yet you are telling others to shut their ears to anyone outside of Orland Park. It's a remarkable double standard. You get to tell the community false information that goes against US v. ALA perpetuates the harm while at the same time you tell them not to listen to people like me who point out the law says there's no First Amendment right to porn in public libraries per US v. ALA. It's remarkable. Given your position at a library school, it's disgraceful. Given your obeisance to ALA, it's understandable.SafeLibraries®https://www.blogger.com/profile/06756725065032196698noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-532215181662264487.post-20012610208769176852013-11-20T07:12:57.408-08:002013-11-20T07:12:57.408-08:00Chilren aren't meant to be in the area, so par...Chilren aren't meant to be in the area, so parents keep your kids out of the area.<br /><br />The simplest solution the library can implement immediately is to purchase screens filters that prevent others from seeing from the side, you can only view if you are sitting right in front of it. <br /><br />To those individuals who spend time patrolling what others are viewing, they are the voyers and should mind their own business.<br /><br />Keep your children supervised and out of adult areas. And it is the responsibility of the parents to respond to children when confronted with information or images that may be confusing. There are worse images and information of crime in the news that children are inundated with daily on basis on television. Sex images are not the worst thing to be viewied online. <br /><br />I understand the concern but implementing filters to websites is futile. Anyone who works in technology can tell you "where there is a will there is a way". If you want to get at the information, there are ways you can get around filters.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-532215181662264487.post-57075888117857438212013-11-19T14:37:04.630-08:002013-11-19T14:37:04.630-08:00There are some very expensive filters that can wor...There are some very expensive filters that can work, if managed on a daily basis with a staff trained to differentiate between "obscenity" -- which is the only legal concept that exists -- and "pornography", which is a concept but one that isn't legally defined. Anything other than obscenity is legally protected speech all adults have a right to access. If Orland Park should decide to use filters on adult computers, they would be vulnerable to a First Amendment challenge in the courts, which would be time consuming and expensive. Given that the adult space is separate from the children's space, it would be hard for Orland Park to justify the need for any filters on their network. The library board may want to appoint an ad hoc community advisory group to investigate the issues and come back to them with an analysis; I'd suggest including library staff on such a committee, since they are familiar with all the resources that would be needed. Hopefully the Mayor would be comfortable with such a community concious approach. I wouldn't include anyone exterior to the community of Orland Park, since they literally have no standing vis a vis the Orland Park question. <br />Joyce M. Latham<br />UWM/SOISAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-532215181662264487.post-47983757061484249882013-11-19T08:26:17.038-08:002013-11-19T08:26:17.038-08:00That's not exactly true. That is just her opin...That's not exactly true. That is just her opinion. The ALA stated in a study that it does censor out other information that is not pornographic. So who will be filtered out along with the bad? http://www.baselinemag.com/industries/media/Library-Filtering-Remains-Controversial/Ray Hananiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03268228482144027190noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-532215181662264487.post-44022921903715214532013-11-19T06:30:45.243-08:002013-11-19T06:30:45.243-08:00Filters work quite well. Source for that statemen...Filters work quite well. Source for that statement? Barbara Jones of the ALA who spoke at the meeting. http://safelibraries.blogspot.com/2012/02/ala-admits-library-filters-work-barbara.htmlSafeLibraries®https://www.blogger.com/profile/06756725065032196698noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-532215181662264487.post-75311988233695503942013-07-04T21:28:33.931-07:002013-07-04T21:28:33.931-07:00Fire protection is important because it doesn'...Fire protection is important because it doesn't matter how big or small a fire is, it can be very harmful.<br /><br /><b><a href="http://www.firepronevada.com/" rel="nofollow">Fire Extinguishers Nevada</a></b>Fire Extinguishers Nevadahttp://www.firepronevada.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-532215181662264487.post-78016802830344030212013-06-16T22:19:52.173-07:002013-06-16T22:19:52.173-07:00Thank you so much for sharing on this valuable inf...Thank you so much for sharing on this valuable information with us for sure your idea is more useful for me. <br /><br /><b><a href="http://www.firepronevada.com/where-to-get-fire-extinguishers.html" rel="nofollow">Fire Protection</a></b>firepronevadahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15675281697671101110noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-532215181662264487.post-8130092793886765412013-03-30T15:21:17.637-07:002013-03-30T15:21:17.637-07:00Would it be possible for you to send the tape to m...Would it be possible for you to send the tape to me? 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That would be helpful to get more information.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00249315061029342736noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-532215181662264487.post-27810539933123815982013-02-06T13:45:13.895-08:002013-02-06T13:45:13.895-08:00What Jewel are you shopping at ? Its the new littl...What Jewel are you shopping at ? Its the new little yuppie groceries that have little to NO selection nowadays...its all generic stores brand crap or over priced organic.<br />I aways find the most avriety at Jewel- espaecialyy the one on 159 street across from that dirty pit super walmartAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-532215181662264487.post-75050657282198214692013-01-24T00:12:19.837-08:002013-01-24T00:12:19.837-08:00I find Dan Patlak to be a jerkI find Dan Patlak to be a jerkAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-532215181662264487.post-37541761911359864422013-01-24T00:10:08.083-08:002013-01-24T00:10:08.083-08:00I did meet Dan Patlak and I do find him to be a je...I did meet Dan Patlak and I do find him to be a jerk. No matter who wins the election my life is no different.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-532215181662264487.post-11655345177496670522013-01-05T15:41:07.012-08:002013-01-05T15:41:07.012-08:00I am so disgusted with Jewel. Every time I go the...I am so disgusted with Jewel. Every time I go they have fewer and fewer choices. Cookies, crackers, bread, condiments, jam, dressing. They have gone from dozens to a handful of choices. I get so frustrated with them I end up talking to myself and shaking my head. Janetnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-532215181662264487.post-88605719961131016602012-12-24T01:29:29.435-08:002012-12-24T01:29:29.435-08:00Which methons do you use to search information for...Which methons do you use to search information for your new entries, which particular search engines or techniques do you generally rely on?Sandras bloghttp://justonecoolblog.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.com